Comments on: Curiouser And Curiouser: The Strange ‘disappearance’ Of Male Bisexuality http://www.marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/ The 'Father' of the Metrosexual, the Retrosexual & Spawner of Sporno Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:42:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: A http://www.marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-6343 A Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:31:51 +0000 http://marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/#comment-6343 Cool article... while I do not have the time to really back up my point, I might add that the "closet" is always locked from the inside. I would agree that there is little to gain & more to lose from a perceived straight male to open up about his bisexuality, but I dont and that is because I believe (in spite of the resources available via the media matrix) people relinquish; acquiesce their power to identify themselves too easily for fear of being judged. I predict young boys who grow up in this age will be even less likely to explore their options as young boys of the past because of something much broader... like an educational system that does not value emotional maturity as a matter of course and priority, more explicitly for example: getting over the fear of mass exposure due to that same ubiquity of the internet. Anyway I look forward to standing corrected. I wish I could go on... but thank you for adding to the discussion. Cool article… while I do not have the time to really back up my point, I might add that the “closet” is always locked from the inside. I would agree that there is little to gain & more to lose from a perceived straight male to open up about his bisexuality, but I dont and that is because I believe (in spite of the resources available via the media matrix) people relinquish; acquiesce their power to identify themselves too easily for fear of being judged. I predict young boys who grow up in this age will be even less likely to explore their options as young boys of the past because of something much broader… like an educational system that does not value emotional maturity as a matter of course and priority, more explicitly for example: getting over the fear of mass exposure due to that same ubiquity of the internet. Anyway I look forward to standing corrected. I wish I could go on… but thank you for adding to the discussion.

]]> By: Poliamoryczna społeczność a biseksualizm « Polyinpoland http://www.marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-6053 Poliamoryczna społeczność a biseksualizm « Polyinpoland Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:50:31 +0000 http://marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/#comment-6053 [...] I jeszcze link o biseksualizmie. I jego nieobecności. I komiczna wzmianka “przykro mi, że przerywam zabawę, ale historycznie męski biseksualizm był, często, POWSZECHNY”. Ale, polecam, bo wyjaśnia sprawę męskiego biseksualizmu o wiele głębiej. A to w koncu jest przyczyną tej różnicy w społeczności poli. [...] [...] I jeszcze link o biseksualizmie. I jego nieobecności. I komiczna wzmianka “przykro mi, że przerywam zabawę, ale historycznie męski biseksualizm był, często, POWSZECHNY”. Ale, polecam, bo wyjaśnia sprawę męskiego biseksualizmu o wiele głębiej. A to w koncu jest przyczyną tej różnicy w społeczności poli. [...]

]]> By: Skeptical http://www.marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-5855 Skeptical Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:54:53 +0000 http://marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/#comment-5855 i dont find this to be a well written article. It was essentially an opinionated, slandering article that only set out to defile objective research. i dont find this to be a well written article. It was essentially an opinionated, slandering article that only set out to defile objective research.

]]> By: Ricardo Juarez http://www.marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-5741 Ricardo Juarez Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:29:03 +0000 http://marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/#comment-5741 Excellent article. I believe with my experience I can contribute to understand more bisexuality. I been working with bisexual men for the last 4 years. I should survey them and try to put a paper together ... Sexuality for my point of view is not defined by straight, gay and bisexual ... there is a lot in between and many factors are involved like social pressure, childhood traumas and of course fucken religions .... I believe if we "erase" these factors we all will be open to have different experiences without worrying to much about labels ... yes agree bisexual men who are comfortable with their sexual identity are the best lovers .... they know how to intimate with another man without the fear of falling in love like many gay men are .... Excellent article. I believe with my experience I can contribute to understand more bisexuality. I been working with bisexual men for the last 4 years. I should survey them and try to put a paper together … Sexuality for my point of view is not defined by straight, gay and bisexual … there is a lot in between and many factors are involved like social pressure, childhood traumas and of course fucken religions …. I believe if we “erase” these factors we all will be open to have different experiences without worrying to much about labels … yes agree bisexual men who are comfortable with their sexual identity are the best lovers …. they know how to intimate with another man without the fear of falling in love like many gay men are ….

]]> By: Thomas Ruth http://www.marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-5183 Thomas Ruth Wed, 20 May 2009 18:06:48 +0000 http://marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/#comment-5183 Excellent article! Exceptional analysis, too. But I'm pleased to hear that young men are becoming more aware - finally! - of their (non-exclusive) options. We have the Internet to thank for being able to hold this conversation _all across this one small world_ - so let's make sure we keep the internet free and as unpoliced as possible; otherwise the transnational corporations ("big biz") will win. Linus wrote, very perceptively: "because mostly everyone tends to hide (for some good reasons, sadly), the tolerant people don’t get enough chances to be cool about it". What I'd like is for someone to invent some neat way to make bi-ness truly cool. Until that happens, here's my contribution: Think of it this way: Any guy who can go out and father babies on the chicks, AND also reduce the likelihood of other guys obtaining his sexual release in the same way (because they're having sex with him), stands to increase the number of progeny he sires; and thus, in Darwinian terms, is the fittest, since his offspring will be numerically predominant. OMG! I've just realised, that probably means that MOST men have bi tendencies! Here's a theory for the "researchers" to test: the "selfish gene" is most likely NOT a "gay gene" at all, but a "bi gene". --- Let's praise the bi gene, bi gene, That leads to sexual hygiene, ("Hi Gene!"), Even tho Doctor Bailey Still dismisses us gaily, Let's praise the bi gene, bi gene, That makes me call daily Two lovely lovers, With a "Hi Gene!" and a "Hi Jean!" We're praising the bi gene, bi gene. --- Tom R. Excellent article! Exceptional analysis, too. But I’m pleased to hear that young men are becoming more aware – finally! – of their (non-exclusive) options. We have the Internet to thank for being able to hold this conversation _all across this one small world_ – so let’s make sure we keep the internet free and as unpoliced as possible; otherwise the transnational corporations (“big biz”) will win.

Linus wrote, very perceptively: “because mostly everyone tends to hide (for some good reasons, sadly), the tolerant people don’t get enough chances to be cool about it”. What I’d like is for someone to invent some neat way to make bi-ness truly cool. Until that happens, here’s my contribution:

Think of it this way: Any guy who can go out and father babies on the chicks, AND also reduce the likelihood of other guys obtaining his sexual release in the same way (because they’re having sex with him), stands to increase the number of progeny he sires; and thus, in Darwinian terms, is the fittest, since his offspring will be numerically predominant. OMG! I’ve just realised, that probably means that MOST men have bi tendencies! Here’s a theory for the “researchers” to test: the “selfish gene” is most likely NOT a “gay gene” at all, but a “bi gene”.

—

Let’s praise the bi gene, bi gene,
That leads to sexual hygiene, (“Hi Gene!”),
Even tho Doctor Bailey
Still dismisses us gaily,
Let’s praise the bi gene, bi gene,
That makes me call daily
Two lovely lovers,
With a “Hi Gene!” and a “Hi Jean!”
We’re praising the bi gene, bi gene.

—

Tom R.

]]> By: linus http://www.marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-5091 linus Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:28:39 +0000 http://marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/#comment-5091 great article...and yes, somehow it is all so weird: you are a masculine guy & fancy women, no problem (I mean, lots of Heteros have also been fighting for sex rights & free love, so why feel ashamed for it!)...you are masculine & into other masculine people? Hey, who cares, we're all the same, right? But you choose a combination of those two (and your are NOT some famous androgynous rock singer) - no way, what were you thinking? Your very own status of masculinity can get denied or almost officially cancelled, although you are masculine and you want to be. And there's so much more strange stuff...that said Dr.Bailey got even paid for his weird "sensors-on-penis-during-porn-watch" thing (I won't call it 'research' until I've read about the research design, especially concerning the selection-criteria of the porn involved) & that his weird 'findings' are still being referred to in many articles on the net...that apparently many people from the G/L community would like to believe that now they have reached such a mainstreamy point, that the history of sexual orientations has come to a proper end ('no more orientations needed than 2, anything trans-whatever, please file under 'gay', the rest: you are wrong and/or nonexisting in a momentary state of transition - there simply is no bisexuality')...it's so absurd to have this unaccepting & existence denying spririt within this sort of unholy alliance between conservative heteros AND certain gay/lesbian people who have just nearly escaped the status of invisibility themselves, thus maybe trying to pass it to someone else...and sometimes you even have girls who enjoy occasionally wild sessions of public french-kissing in the middle of a party or club, while the boyfriend is politely watching without even the slightest trace of a stupid grin. But when she finds out about him, boom! Instant scandal & end of relationship... The other problem is that because mostly everyone tends to hide (for some good reasons, sadly), the tolerant people don't get enough chances to be cool about it. That fireman from England should have felt really lucky. But he's incorporated too much of the shame & guilt already...and yes, it is indeed such a long & hard way to admit it in front of a woman, because it is somehow officially labeled as uncool and unsexy for a man (or, a man-man, for whom it may feel like a loss or a defeat of the masculine identity). I wondered too after watching "Brokeback Mountain" why in the DVD-Store you would find it under the label 'films about gay cowboys'; but there's simply no Bi-Lobby that could have claimed it (instead there is this pseudo-modern notion that about EVERY masculine bi-guy is actually a repressed homosexual who is totally unwillingly forced into relationships & sex with women & would leave that disgusting stuff immediately if he had only enough gay clubs in his hometown...a notion that is maybe supposed to make Bi guys feel bad about the desire for sex with female persons, as if you can't miss that, too). In the end, it's a deadlock of invisibility, where you have to ask: why does even Bowie feel the urge to deny it...how can it be SUCH a shame? (that weird amount of shame is the key issue here; if it only could be solved, it would be sooooo much easier...) Like this, you can only wonder if sexual morals have partially evolved backwards, if Bi's are really considered as too 'loose' or as non-existent (hey, it's 2009! On the other hand, we're also not flying with Pan Am to the moon yet). great article…and yes, somehow it is all so weird: you are a masculine guy & fancy women, no problem (I mean, lots of Heteros have also been fighting for sex rights & free love, so why feel ashamed for it!)…you are masculine & into other masculine people? Hey, who cares, we’re all the same, right?
But you choose a combination of those two (and your are NOT some famous androgynous rock singer) – no way, what were you thinking? Your very own status of masculinity can get denied or almost officially cancelled, although you are masculine and you want to be.
And there’s so much more strange stuff…that said Dr.Bailey got even paid for his weird “sensors-on-penis-during-porn-watch” thing (I won’t call it ‘research’ until I’ve read about the research design, especially concerning the selection-criteria of the porn involved) & that his weird ‘findings’ are still being referred to in many articles on the net…that apparently many people from the G/L community would like to believe that now they have reached such a mainstreamy point, that the history of sexual orientations has come to a proper end (‘no more orientations needed than 2, anything trans-whatever, please file under ‘gay’, the rest: you are wrong and/or nonexisting in a momentary state of transition – there simply is no bisexuality’)…it’s so absurd to have this unaccepting & existence denying spririt within this sort of unholy alliance between conservative heteros AND certain gay/lesbian people who have just nearly escaped the status of invisibility themselves, thus maybe trying to pass it to someone else…and sometimes you even have girls who enjoy occasionally wild sessions of public french-kissing in the middle of a party or club, while the boyfriend is politely watching without even the slightest trace of a stupid grin.
But when she finds out about him, boom! Instant scandal & end of relationship…

The other problem is that because mostly everyone tends to hide (for some good reasons, sadly), the tolerant people don’t get enough chances to be cool about it.
That fireman from England should have felt really lucky. But he’s incorporated too much of the shame & guilt already…and yes, it is indeed such a long & hard way to admit it in front of a woman, because it is somehow officially labeled as uncool and unsexy for a man (or, a man-man, for whom it may feel like a loss or a defeat of the masculine identity).

I wondered too after watching “Brokeback Mountain” why in the DVD-Store you would find it under the label ‘films about gay cowboys’; but there’s simply no Bi-Lobby that could have claimed it (instead there is this pseudo-modern notion that about EVERY masculine bi-guy is actually a repressed homosexual who is totally unwillingly forced into relationships & sex with women & would leave that disgusting stuff immediately if he had only enough gay clubs in his hometown…a notion that is maybe supposed to make Bi guys feel bad about the desire for sex with female persons, as if you can’t miss that, too).

In the end, it’s a deadlock of invisibility, where you have to ask: why does even Bowie feel the urge to deny it…how can it be SUCH a shame?
(that weird amount of shame is the key issue here; if it only could be solved, it would be sooooo much easier…)

Like this, you can only wonder if sexual morals have partially evolved backwards, if Bi’s are really considered as too ‘loose’ or as non-existent (hey, it’s 2009! On the other hand, we’re also not flying with Pan Am to the moon yet).

]]> By: Bisexuals Musto Be Gay | MARK SIMPSON .com http://www.marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-5083 Bisexuals Musto Be Gay | MARK SIMPSON .com Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:54:09 +0000 http://marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/#comment-5083 [...] Sorry, butu I’m going to quote myself again from three years ago: [...] [...] Sorry, butu I’m going to quote myself again from three years ago: [...]

]]> By: Male Bisexuality: Is it Cool? | MARK SIMPSON .com http://www.marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-5068 Male Bisexuality: Is it Cool? | MARK SIMPSON .com Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:44:12 +0000 http://marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/#comment-5068 [...] came to the same conclusion three years ago in a piece posted on here called ‘Curiouser and curiouser‘ - based on my own very private [...] [...] came to the same conclusion three years ago in a piece posted on here called ‘Curiouser and curiouser‘ – based on my own very private [...]

]]> By: gay for gay http://www.marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-4148 gay for gay Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:46:04 +0000 http://marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/#comment-4148 This piece was forwarded to me by a friend during a discussion about sexuality, bi-curiosity, and that phenomenal clause in the (straight penned) gay agenda, calling for recruitment of nice, normal heterosexuals into our deviant lifestyle. I am one of those who desire for the mainstreaming of various degrees of sexual orientation. People who identify as one hundred percent straight ad nauseum do not attract me in the slightest. Maybe a better way to announce myself would be "gay for anything above a 0 on the old kinsey scale." "gay for gay" just has a nicer ring. It is easy to no end for me to be openly this way as a woman. It would be wonderful for men to be able to be open about feeling the same. This piece was forwarded to me by a friend during a discussion about sexuality, bi-curiosity, and that phenomenal clause in the (straight penned) gay agenda, calling for recruitment of nice, normal heterosexuals into our deviant lifestyle.
I am one of those who desire for the mainstreaming of various degrees of sexual orientation. People who identify as one hundred percent straight ad nauseum do not attract me in the slightest.
Maybe a better way to announce myself would be “gay for anything above a 0 on the old kinsey scale.” “gay for gay” just has a nicer ring.
It is easy to no end for me to be openly this way as a woman. It would be wonderful for men to be able to be open about feeling the same.

]]> By: WilliamGull http://www.marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-4072 WilliamGull Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:09:07 +0000 http://marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/#comment-4072 Absolutely great. I love this article. I'm fully bisexual but I haven't outed because I don't see the point. I'm ok this way, I don't want to tell anybody about my "secret" and suddenly start being marginalized by both men and women. If I'm discreet about my sexuality, I'll be able to live it. I don't think any man or woman would ever like to know of me if I tell everybody openly. Once more, brilliant article. Absolutely great. I love this article. I’m fully bisexual but I haven’t outed because I don’t see the point. I’m ok this way, I don’t want to tell anybody about my “secret” and suddenly start being marginalized by both men and women.

If I’m discreet about my sexuality, I’ll be able to live it. I don’t think any man or woman would ever like to know of me if I tell everybody openly.

Once more, brilliant article.

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