Mr ‘Thing’: Pejic and his Prophet

All truly beau­ti­ful things are a mix­ture of mas­cu­line and fem­i­nine.’ So said the late Susan Son­tag. And she would know.

I’ve only just read a recent pro­file of the tran­sexy Ser­bian model Andrej Pejic in The New Yorker called, with only a soupçon of hyper­bole, ‘The Pret­ti­est Boy in the World’.

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Pejic, who some­times mod­els women’s fash­ion, some­times men’s (though guess which gets more atten­tion), is the chap mem­o­rably described by US FHM in a widely-reported hissy fit as a ‘thing’ that prompts them to ‘pass the sick bucket’ — despite his pop­u­lar­ity with their own read­ers. And more recently as a ‘crea­ture’ and ‘a fake’ and sym­bol of ‘abject misog­yny’ by out­raged female colum­nists cit­ing him as the ‘final proof’ that they were right all along, that high fash­ion is run by an evil gay paedo con­spir­acy against women that wants to do away with ladies alto­gether and replace them with ‘young boys’.

Though per­haps the out­raged fem­i­nists of both left and right should wel­come Pejic with gar­lands since he means that women can finally opt out of the fatal gay embrace of high fash­ion alto­gether and leave the gays and their Ganymedes to it.…

What­ever Pejic does or doesn’t sym­bol­ise about the world of high fash­ion it seems to me that he and the scan­dale sur­round­ing him def­i­nitely, dra­mat­i­cally per­son­i­fies some­thing that is going on in the wider cul­ture that fem­i­nists, along with every­one else, are often far less keen to notice (though not the anti-feminist blog­ger Quiet Riot Girl).

The way that in the last cou­ple of decades the male body has become ‘objec­ti­fied’ in main­stream media as much as the female vari­ety. The way that ‘beauty’ and ‘pret­ti­ness’ is no longer the sole pre­serve of women. The way that glossy mag­a­zines with men’s air­brushed tits on the cover have become the most pop­u­lar kind — with men. (Which lends a spe­cial irony to the ban­ning of a mag that fea­tured a top­less Pejic on the cover by Barnes & Noble — they knew Pejic is male, and don’t ban top­less males, only females, but were wor­ried the image ‘might con­fuse their cus­tomers’.)

And the way that colours, clothes, acces­sories, prod­ucts, prac­tises and desires pre­vi­ously thought ‘fem­i­nine’ have been greed­ily taken up by men  – and often rela­belled ‘manly’ in a way that only suc­ceeds in unwit­tingly satiris­ing the very con­cept of ‘mas­cu­line’ and ‘fem­i­nine’, ‘man’ and ‘woman’.

The way, in other words, that gen­der is undress­ing itself. Or at least, teas­ing us with an elbow-length glove or two and an unhooked bra-strap.

In the NYT pro­file ‘It’, alias Pejic says he’s largely indif­fer­ent to gen­der. For him, it isn’t about being a ‘woman’ or a ‘man’ it’s about being true to his own tastes, to him­self. Though he seems to have few illu­sions about how he is being used and pos­si­bly exploited by the fash­ion industry:

It’s not like, ‘Okay, today I want to look like a man, or today I want to look like a woman,’ ” he says. “I want to look like me. It just so hap­pens that some of the things I like are feminine.”

I know peo­ple want me to sort of defend myself, to sit here and be like, ‘I’m a boy, but I wear makeup some­times.’ But, you know, to me, it doesn’t really mat­ter. I don’t really have that sort of strong gen­der identity—I iden­tify as what I am. The fact that peo­ple are using it for cre­ative or mar­ket­ing pur­poses, it’s just kind of like hav­ing a skill and using it to earn money.”

I iden­tify as what I am.

How very dare he! No won­der peo­ple rush to call him ‘it’ and ‘thing’.…

Pejic has been described, usu­ally deri­sively, as a ‘gen­der ben­der’. Which is inter­est­ing because, while I’ve not seen it pointed out, there does seem to be some visual and and philo­soph­i­cal par­al­lels with the ‘gen­der ben­der’ of my youth, the preter­nat­u­rally beau­ti­ful Brit pop­ster Mar­i­lyn, alias Peter Robin­son. Who was, for a few moments in the early 80s the pret­ti­est boy — or girl — in the world.

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Mar­i­lyn, 1980s

A Bowie fan with an obses­sion with a dead blonde Amer­i­can actress, Mar­i­lyn became the king-queen of the Blitz Set, famously describ­ing him­self as “Tarzan and Jane rolled into one” – in addi­tion to the 1960s Hol­ly­wood star­let (dread-locked) glam­our, he sported impres­sive shoul­ders which would have made it rather dif­fi­cult for him to model women’s fash­ion, or most men’s high fash­ion for that matter.

Mar­i­lyn denied want­ing to change sex, or being a trans­ves­tite, he just knew what he liked — and used words that sound very sim­i­lar to Pejic’s today:

I’ve never taken much notice of gen­der. How you can take the same bit of cloth and cut it one way and it’s ‘for men’ and another way and it’s ‘for women’? If it looks nice I’m gonna wear it!”

A favourite tar­get of the Brit tabloids, who seemed to get sex­u­ally aroused by the phrase ‘gen­der ben­der’, using it repeat­edly, his pop career was a per­fect, orgas­mic explo­sion that was over before it began — after an infa­mously sul­try appear­ance on Top of The Pops in 1984pro­mot­ing his sec­ond sin­gle ‘Cry and be Free’. Giv­ing good pouty face and flash­ing his mus­cu­lar arms in a glit­tery top Madonna would have hes­i­tated to wear, a nation gasped and the sin­gle sank with­out a trace.

The 1980s hastily decided it wasn’t ready for Mar­i­lyn or real gen­der bend­ing, or indeed sex — Marilyn’s whole per­sona shouted SEX!!!! — and instead opted for the safe, Mumsy charm of his Blitz Club chum and kabuki pale imi­ta­tor Boy George, who didn’t really bend gen­der so much as tickle its tummy a bit. And make it a nice cup of tea.

Nearly thirty years on, despite Pejic’s unpop­u­lar­ity with some fem­i­nists and the closet-cases who write for US FHM, 1980s Mar­i­lyn and his shame­less, shin­ing desire to be desired looks more like a glam­orous prophet, prepar­ing the way for the Met­ro­sexy 21st Century.

POSTSCRIPT 14/09/11

Justin Bieber likes to wear women’s jeans:

I’ve worn women’s jeans before because they fit me. It’s not a trend; it’s just, what­ever works, works.”…

Bieber was respond­ing to a ques­tion about Kanye West’s deci­sion to wear a women’s sweater. “It wasn’t (so he’d) look like a woman in a sweater; it was just a reg­u­lar sweater that hap­pened to be a woman’s.”

 

32 Comments

  • Mark,

    You may be right about Dead or Alive. I loved and still love ‘You Spin Me Round’ Throw­away was too strong a word to use for that one, def­i­nitely. I was think­ing about the other tracks which didn’t stack up. You are right about the impact of AIDS on cul­ture, certainly.

    I had com­pletely for­got­ten about Mar­i­lyn until I read this post. Made me nos­tal­gic for my Lon­don club days. I won­der what she’s doing now.

  • Thanks HH and QRG for another fas­ci­nat­ing below-the-line dis­cus­sion much more thought­ful than my orig­i­nal post. But I’m not going to join in, coz I’m afraid I’ll be found out.… Except to point out what should be obvi­ous: that I described the colum­nists com­plain­ing about gay misog­y­nist con­spir­acy in fash­ion as ‘female colum­nists’ because a) That’s who was com­plain­ing (not any male colum­nists that I’m aware of) and is any­way part of their job descrip­tion (Platell’s rant appeared in the ‘Femail’ sec­tion of The Mail news­pa­per) and b) because I’m not really sure, and don’t really care, whether Platell or The Observer woman call them­selves fem­i­nists or not.

    Oh Tarzie: Yes, Pete Burns was another inter­est­ing case. Though there was a (Scouse docker) hard­ness there to his per­sona that wasn’t really there with Mar­i­lyn, despite those shoul­ders. He was more punk in his pre­sen­ta­tion (until he got going on the plas­tic surgery). His biggest (and last) hit by far, released in 1984, ‘You Spin Me Round (Like a Record)’ was and still is a tremen­dous dance track, pro­duced by the ‘Hit Fac­tory’ of Scott Aiken & Water­man (eas­ily the best thing they ever did).

    I think that sin­gle became such a smash almost in spite of Pete Burns’ ‘gen­der ben­der’ appear­ance, unfor­tu­nately. The back­lash had already begun in earnest by 84–85.

    And it had a lot to do with AIDS — or ‘The Gay Plague’ as the tabloids called it. The AIDS Ter­ror really got under­way in the mid-80s and rolled back most of the changes that the late 70s early 80s had ush­ered in. There really was a sense of ‘the gays’ have Gone Too Far. And many of their fel­low travellers/camp fol­low­ers ran for cover.

  • (note: I’m gonna use she and her for Mar­i­lyn, even because I can’t be both­ered to futz)

    I lived in Lon­don around the time of Mar­i­lyn and remem­ber being sort of star struck when I saw her at Heaven (as a patron). She was a beauty. It seemed that at that time a new kind of per­son was emerg­ing, since, with a body that was way more buff than most queer brits at the time, she sure wasn’t try­ing to look like a girl, though cer­tainly she looked more like a girl than a guy.

    I think you’re onto some­thing about how her sex­i­ness may have under­mined her. Still, around the same time, I recall Pete Burns — before he mor­phed into what­ever the hell you’d call him now — and I thought he was both very androg­y­nous and very sex­ual. Dead or Alive had some huge hits, but they had a clubby, throw­away sound that clearly wasn’t going to last. I mean, isn’t some of this explained with mat­ters as pro­saic as song-writing and man­age­ment? Was not a huge fan of Cul­ture Club, but it seems to me there was a finesse and depth to their act that made it more durable and also more appeal­ing to a wide audi­ence. In this video at least, Mar­i­lyn seems to be going for the same kind of sound, and peo­ple might have just thought she was a knock-off.

  • I love androginy since I was a teen (long time ago…) and I had a ter­ri­ble crush on David Syl­vian, who hap­pened to be as blond and del­i­cate and beat­i­ful as Andrej. So what’s the prob­lem? They are beat­i­ful (well, David not as before now, he’s an adult man near mid­dle age and his aethe­r­ial beauty van­ish with his years), I thank gods for them shar­ing their beauty with me.

  • PaulQ: Yes, Bowie’s ‘Boys Keep Swing­ing’ was there before Mar­i­lyn. But Maz — as his friends call him — did look bet­ter as a Hol­ly­wood icon. (I won­der whether though if there wasn’t some­thing more Rita Hay­worth about him than Marilyn.)

  • Quiet Riot Girl wrote:

    I like a good zinger too, HH! I also hate fem­i­nism with the zeal­ous pas­sion only a con­vert (to anti-feminism) can achieve. But some­times the demon­i­sa­tion of fem­i­nism equates to the demon­i­sa­tion of women. And that is what I am wary of.

    By the way, I have just read the intro­duc­tion to Male Imper­son­ators. I read the book with­out the intro and adored it.

    But it did seem quite ‘fem­i­nist friendly’ as if the young Mark Simp­son was not as anti-feminist as his older manifestation.

    And the intro­duc­tion con­firms that. I won’t quote it but Mark wrote about his belief that gay men and the ‘women’s move­ment’ had some shared aims that should be devel­oped and encouraged.

    I was a fem­i­nist back in 1994, too. I expect being ‘anti-feminist’ in those days would have been even harder than it is now, espe­cially if you wanted to pub­lish a book about men.

    It’s inter­est­ing though, I would love to know how Mark’s anti-feminist ‘jour­ney’ panned out. He knows about mine, it’s scrib­bled all over his walls.

  • QRG, you’re right to pull me up on gen­er­al­i­sa­tions. Demon­is­ing fem­i­nism is both wrong, and not my intention.

    The temp­ta­tion of a good zinger over­comes me some­times, though.

  • Quiet Riot Girl wrote:

    I have thought about it, a lot, HH, and I don’t think ‘gay men’ are model sex­ual cit­i­zens because ‘gay men’ are not a homoge­nous group of peo­ple, how­ever much the gay­ists want them to be.

    Gay men’ are just men who have decided to set them­selves apart and make them­selves spe­cial, because of their love of dick. Big wow. All men love dick.

    At least bisex­ual and het­ero­sex­ual and (some) tran­sex­ual men also love women.

  • Quiet Riot Girl wrote:

    HH

    Mark’s writ­ings on met­ro­sex­u­al­ity have pretty well been ignored by fem­i­nists. Either ignored or some­how bas­tardised and ‘watered down’ and stolen (with no credit given to him) by one or two very sly fem­i­nist women (Susan Bordo and Susan Faludi, who hap­pen to be mates, I am look­ing at you, ladies).

    BUT Mark’s writ­ings on met­ro­sex­u­al­ity have also been ignored by gay men. Or, again, in one or two sly cases, bas­tardised and watered down and stolen (Eric Ander­son I am look­ing at you).

    The fact that Mark’s writ­ings on met­ro­sex­u­al­ity are cur­rently get­ting up the noses of both fem­i­nists and gays, is down to QRG. And both the fem­i­nists and the gays blame the messenger.

    I am not pre­pared to sin­gle out fem­i­nists as the main group of peo­ple who can’t han­dle met­ro­sex­u­al­ity. I don’t think Mark does sin­gle them out either. But maybe this piece has enabled a tar­get­ing of ‘fem­i­nism’ as ‘the enemy’ when it is not that simple.

  • QRG, the Rab­bit White arti­cle is intrigu­ing (and so are your com­ments on it).

    My obser­va­tion: Many enlight­ened women despise the fash­ion estab­lish­ment, and all that it rep­re­sents. But they just can’t let go. It would be tempt­ing to argue that there is a gen­der essence afoot here.

    For­give me for being a bit relaxed about gen­der essen­tial­ism. I’m quite will­ing to coun­te­nance it. To me, the true test of our human­ity is in how we respond to our essence. A truly moral per­son who acknowl­edges it and over­comes it if need be, in the name of some­thing big­ger; com­pas­sion, moral­ity, jus­tice, the right to pleasure.

    Chal­leng­ing our instincts (be they bio­log­i­cally hard wired or cul­tur­ally instilled) is what makes us human, no? Only humans, unique amongst ani­mals, have man­aged to do so.

    But that’s a big­ger dis­cus­sion, right?

    There is an inti­mate rela­tion­ship between gay men, and women. The fact they also hate each other just makes it more intimate.”

    Yes…and what a can of worms THAT is. Log­i­cally, fem­i­nism and what we quaintly used to call gay lib ought to be bed­fel­lows. But so much gay cul­ture is an affront to main­stream feminism.

    Sex­ual objec­ti­fi­ca­tion, for one.

    This is where Mark’s writ­ings on Met­ro­sex­u­al­ity really hit a fem­i­nist nerve, I notice. If sex­ual objec­ti­fi­ca­tion is a tool to main­tain gen­der inequal­ity, then men want­ing to be objec­ti­fied is an out­rage. And it pulls the rug out from under the argument.

    One of the great things about gay men is our simul­ta­ne­ous abil­ity to acknowl­edge that we are both flesh-and-blood human beings and sex­ual objects at the same time. We can admire the beauty of the buff gym bunny and get down-and-dirty with the bloke next door. Gay men have catholic tastes, if you’ll par­don the expression.

    I’d like to take a gender-studies type to Bear­a­palooza and ask for a semi­otic decode.

    Men have both souls and dicks. They serve dif­fer­ent pur­poses, true. But in my expe­ri­ence, gay men find both sexy in their own ways.

    We’re model sex­ual cit­i­zens, when you think about it.

  • Quiet Riot Girl wrote:

    Actu­ally, Miss Jay on America’s Next Top Model is a pretty classy gen­der bender.

  • Quiet Riot Girl wrote:

    If you look at TV fashion/lifestyle shows they are full of gay men:

    Gok Wan
    Queer Eye for the Straight Guy
    Sex in the city (writ­ten by gay men with gay fash­ion­istas in as char­ac­ters)
    Run­way (full of gay design­ers)
    America’s Next Top Model (G.A.Y)

    There is an inti­mate rela­tion­ship between gay men, and women. The fact they also hate each other just makes it more intimate.

  • Quiet Riot Girl wrote:

    As for when the fem­i­nist ‘move­ment’ began, it is a kind of myth that there even is a proper fem­i­nist ‘move­ment’. You can go as far back as you want in his­tory and you will find gen­der con­flict and cam­paign­ing at some level. Our sense of ‘his­tory’ and polit­i­cal move­ments is very mod­ern. I hope women have been kick­ing ass since the begin­ning of Time.

    But yes, ‘fem­i­nism’ is rid­dled with class issues. So is ‘gay­ism’. Both ide­olo­gies are per­ni­cious. And very much con­nected to each other.

  • Quiet Riot Girl wrote:

    I don’t see gay men as being any­thing more than facil­i­ta­tors.’ — ORLY?

    Well I do, PaulQ. Gay men in fash­ion are part of Gay men’s mis­sion to fetishise the ‘fem­i­nine’ as some­thing they are ‘experts’ in, but some­thing that they are also NOT.

    Don’t get me started!

  • How many fem­i­nists does it take to change a lightbulb?

    THAT’S NOT FUNNY!

    Mark, a seman­tic point: the Fem­i­nist move­ment began as a fat­wah against ladies. The enemy was ladies like phil­an­thropist Brooke Astor in one of her trade­mark Chan­nel suits — which she wore to a home­less shel­ter when she served Thanks­giv­ing Din­ner at the age of 90. “They’d wear their best clothes if they came to my house. Why shouldn’t I where mine when I come to theirs?” But then “class” has been expunged from the fem­i­nist lex­i­con, as well as philANTHROpy.

    There was time when a lady never left the house with­out a hat and gloves. And gen­tle­men wore hats. I wish those times would return. It was as if gen­til­ity was an insult to ‘gender’.

    I won­der what Mlle. Platell thinks of Mar­lene Diet­rich in a tux?

    She’s just jeal­ous she couldn’t pull it off her­self: the fash­ion indus­try exists because women dress for other women. I don’t see gay men as being any­thing more than facil­i­ta­tors. The mea­sure is one cre­ated by women: they long to be Pejic not because he is a man but because he car­ries cou­ture so well.

    Before Mar­i­lyn, there was the “Boys Keep Swing­ing” video.

  • Quiet Riot Girl wrote:

    This is inter­est­ing, espe­cially the his­tor­i­cal stuff, on fash­ion and fem­i­nism, by Rachel Rab­bit White.

    She is feminist-identified so I think she is try­ing to rec­on­cile fem­i­nism with fash­ion here. But I speak up for met­ro­sex­u­al­ity, Mark Simp­son, Pejic and men, in the comments:

    http://rachelrabbitwhite.com/is-fashion-feminist-the-dialogue-between-the-two/#comments

  • Quiet Riot Girl wrote:

    What I mean is — ‘mas­cu­line beauty’, aka ‘mas­cu­line fem­i­nine’ is not an oxy­moron, so much as, as Mark says in this piece, a ques­tion­ing of what ‘mas­cu­line’ and ‘fem­i­nine’ mean. Which, whether whether men or women want it to be or not, is revolutionary.

  • Quiet Riot Girl wrote:

    re: mas­cu­line beauty as oxy­moron. Well I know what you mean, HH.

    But I’d say rather that the con­cept of ‘beauty’ and its per­for­mance is very much tied to the ‘fem­i­nine’ in our cul­ture. Like you say it has been estab­lished as such over centuries.

    So say­ing ‘mas­cu­line beauty’ is a bit like say­ing ‘mas­cu­line feminine’.

    And there we have it again. The thing that peo­ple fear about men’s desire to be desired, is that it neces­si­tates an embrac­ing of the ‘feminine’.

    The term ‘male groom­ing’ pre­tends that men can be desir­able with­out becom­ing ‘fem­i­nine’ but they can’t.

    And Pejic cel­e­brates that fact beautifully.

  • QRG,

    I’m 100% with you when you chal­lenge me to include “mas­cu­line” as a word whose def­i­n­i­tion and use­ful­ness must be questioned.

    I’ve still got my gen­der stud­ies train­ing wheels on, so please let me just think out loud again for a minute, QRG.

    Platell’s argu­ment seems to be that male fash­ion­ista are redefin­ing fem­i­nine beauty to look more masculine.

    And real flesh-and-blood females should resist the unrea­son­able demand that they must become more manly (or, at least, boy­ish) to be con­sid­ered beautiful.

    My feel­ings respond in many dif­fer­ent ways to this.

    First, the clothes fash­ion­istas design for men ain’t exactly easy for those of us with a “mas­cu­line” fig­ure to wear. High fash­ion is friendly to nei­ther bust nor balls, bosom nor beer belly. Try to get a decent del­toid into a designer tux. Or to be a skinny teenage male try­ing to get a suit off the rack for a job interview.

    When Karl Lager­feld wanted to dress in cat­walk menswear by Hedi Sli­mane, he famously lost 13 kilos to do it. A man in his sev­en­ties, no less.

    Yes, fash­ion both reflects and cre­ates the sex­ual pol­i­tics of its day, but no more than any other cul­tural enterprise.

    Why object to Pejic, and not, say, the androg­yny of hip­ster chic?

    Is the fash­ion world any more hos­tile to women than, say, an engi­neer­ing faculty?

    Why can those who fight gen­der dis­crim­i­na­tion attack the engi­neer­ing fac­ulty with a cool head, and not the fash­ion industry?

    I’ll stick my neck out and ven­ture a hypoth­e­sis. (You and Mark may have dis­cussed such an argu­ment, or dis­missed it, in your writ­ings already. If so, a thou­sand pardons.)

    Is “mas­cu­line beauty” an oxy­moron? Yes, and no.

    Hand­some” men are admired, their good for­tune cov­eted, and from time to time, they sex­u­ally arouse those with a taste for them.

    But to be the object of desire rather than sim­ple admi­ra­tion has been the province of beauty, and thereby of fem­i­nin­ity, for centuries.

    Desire gives a cer­tain mea­sure of power to the desired. Tough for the beau­ti­ful to con­cede it to the oppo­site gen­der, one which already enjoys (puta­tively) an unfair mea­sure of power.

    But men, bless us, want it all. Women have shown us the joy of being beau­ti­ful, for the sheer plea­sure of it. If it’s “fem­i­nine”, who cares? Let a thou­sand flow­ers bloom.

    Sorry to get all Rein­hold Niebuhr on yo’ ass, but every­thing con­tains its oppo­site, in a yin-yang sense. If beauty is fem­i­nine, then it is also masculine–how does mas­cu­line “beauty” express itself? What is a “mas­cu­line” way to be desired, rather than to do the desir­ing, the pur­su­ing? (If indeed, the pur­suit, the hunt, is inher­ently “masculine”.)

    As long as the Jer­sey Shore boys are buf­foons, then it’s OK for them to self-consciously court admi­ra­tion for their bod­ies. But when a male makes a decent fist of it–when peo­ple gasp and say “how beautiful”–Pejic Panic breaks out. “He’s tak­ing our job! That’s not fair!”

    Like you, I raised my eye­brows at the tor­tu­ous logic of Pat Strud­wick (who is just one let­ter off of hav­ing a very arous­ing name.)

    Gay men only attracted to the mas­cu­line? Is it not a require­ment that artists, design­ers and cre­ative thinkers pos­sess imag­i­na­tion? He blows it for when he rights the boat later, I think, and reminds us that design­ers of all sex­u­al­i­ties design hap­pily for both men and women.

    I can’t work out whether I love or hate your term “gayist”.

    The debate around Pejic has turned ugly and homo­pho­bic, per­haps less out of gen­uine hatred of homo­sex­u­als and more out of the par­tic­i­pants grab­bing any rhetor­i­cal stance that would get them an audi­ence. To that extent, I agree with his gay-affirming stance.

    But if by “gay­ist” we’re draw­ing a par­al­lel with “fem­i­nist”, then let’s pause for a minute to unpack the term.

    One of the irk­some parts of early fem­i­nism was that it seemed, from time to time, to make the fem­i­nine morally supe­rior to the mas­cu­line. The obvi­ous injus­tice and short-sightedness of this approach has alien­ated many, and I notice that you among them, QRG.

    But if early fem­i­nists reminded the broader pop­u­la­tion (i.e. men and non-feminist women) that deny­ing oppor­tu­nity to any­one is morally wrong, and sex roles must be more fluid for every­one to reach his or her true poten­tial, then mod­ern “gay­ists” must do the same.

    Homo­pho­bia is just dis­guised misog­yny. And to hear it from the mouths of women who (we assume) are fem­i­nists, galls me.

    So then, you can call me a gay­ist. In a good way.

  • Quiet Riot Girl wrote:

    The irony is fem­i­nists use ‘female’ too to describe women in pro­fes­sions, to indi­cate how spe­cial they are: female writ­ers, female musi­cians. It is the same tech­nique used for a dif­fer­ent effect.

  • HH: I can’t dis­agree with your elo­quent analy­sis of what ‘fash­ion’ and ‘beauty’ are or aren’t — how they’re not very feel-good or friendly to any­one. That’s not what they’re for.

    And also your dis­sec­tion of the ‘think­ing’ behind Platell’s piece. But she’s not really worth you. She’s just a hack colum­nist. A hack female colum­nist (writ­ing for the Mail’s ‘Femail’ sec­tion) who likes to pose as a defender of her sex. Dressed in cliches.

    The Observer feminist’s inno­va­tion on the other hand is to not just trot out the fash­ion is a con­spir­acy against the female body run by misog­y­nist gay men (can I have my fee now please?) line, but to present it as some kind of accepted fact (not a third-hand opin­ion) and then describe turn­ing mod­els into pre-pubescent kids as the log­i­cal next step in the Evil Big Gay Plan.

  • Quiet Riot Girl wrote:

    P.s. I don’t like the term ‘female colum­nist’. It sug­gests colum­nists are nat­u­rally male. It is like ‘lady doc­tor’ or ‘female lawyer’. And it is using the bio­log­i­cal binary. If Patell’s gen­der iden­tity is sig­nif­i­cant there are other ways to indi­cate it.

    Lan­guage when it comes to gen­der, as this piece shows, is crucial.

  • Quiet Riot Girl wrote:

    Hon­ourable Husband:

    If you are wor­ried the fem­i­nists have been attack­ing the gays, never fear, everyone’s favourite Gay­ist jour­nal­ist Patrick Strud­wick turned up to save the day, and to remind us that Gay Men NEVER fancy women OR boys, because they are only attracted to man­li­ness, which they them­selves dis­play in abundance.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/13/patrick-strudwick-feminism-gay-fashion-designers?INTCMP=SRCH

    I think I have cov­ered every­thing now. Oh except that when it comes to women burst­ing into tears over the per­fect hem­line, who has fetishised that and enabled it the most in recent years? Yes, none other than our other favourite Gay, Gok Wan.

    I fol­lowed the Pejic Panic very closely, but I didn’t get to talk to any­one about it. When it comes to analysing the media’s rep­re­sen­ta­tions of met­ro­sex­u­al­ity, I think I might be able to count the peo­ple who are doing that in any depth on two fingers.

  • Aston­ish­ing vit­riol, isn’t it?

    Amanda Platell’s arti­cle dis­turbs me greatly.

    Here’s how I under­stand her:

    Female mod­els have long cre­ated an ideal of fem­i­nine good looks that few women can live up to. A male cre­at­ing an ideal of fem­i­nine good looks which few women can live up to makes it even more impos­si­ble. Because as a male, he has a head start in the fem­i­nine good looks depart­ment, because mod­ern fem­i­nin­ity is defined by the (mainly gay male) fash­ion police.

    When a man–any man–is deemed more capa­ble of look­ing “fem­i­nine” than a woman is, because his Y-chromosomes allow him to come closer to the ideal woman, it’s time to ques­tion the mean­ing and use­ful­ness of the word “feminine”.

    Is this rant against Pejic, who as a male teenager can scarf the odd ham­burger and stay skinny, another case of fat rear­ing its head as a fem­i­nist issue?

    The most dis­turb­ing thing about Platell’s arti­cle is that she implies the cur­va­ceous women are some­how more gen­uinely feminine.

    Andrej Pejic is bad, and Mar­i­lyn Mon­roe is good? Does she not see both as equally impossible?

    Clothes which are “unashamedly” for women “nip…in waists” and “celebrate…cleavage”, she says. And she wept with joy to see them.

    (I don’t know about you, Mark, but it’s been a long time since I cried over box­ers with a rein­forced seat and extra pouch room on a stroll through High & Mighty.)

    Platell was rightly taken to task. The top rated com­ments on her arti­cle come from less-curvaceous females, who object to the impli­ca­tion that one needs ful­some hips and ample breasts to be a “real” woman.

    There are many rea­sons to cri­tique the fash­ion estab­lish­ment, but Pejic is far down the list

    High fash­ion bears lit­tle rela­tion­ship to wear­able clothes. It’s a design exer­cise, where clothes are the hero and the humans who wear them just get in the way.

    There’s a ten­dency for mod­els of both sexes to become the thinnest, least-bodied human being pos­si­ble. You should scarcely notice them.

    Does this dehu­man­ise fash­ion? Yes, and so what? Art is not always real­is­tic. The obtuse, some­times con­fronting aes­thet­ics of high art push the bound­aries, while main­stream art per­forms the func­tional job of bring­ing plea­sure and reflec­tion when it hangs on your wall.

    Take cars. An unlikely anal­ogy, but it works.

    Chevro­let struts its new Corvette down the cat­walk at the Detroit Auto Show in Jan­u­ary. Do fam­ily guys get huffy because those damn car design­ers are cre­at­ing an unre­al­is­tic pic­ture of the ideal car?

    No, we admire it. We drool over it. We say it’s beau­ti­ful and sexy. A select few put in an order. But most of us buy Mal­ibus, because hey, it works for us. And on the whole, we’re pretty happy.

    Maybe the peo­ple who hate the fact that high fash­ion excludes them should not take it so per­son­ally. It excludes most people.

    And if dress­ing like a cat­walk model is at the core of your self-esteem, then you’ve got a much big­ger prob­lem than squeez­ing your tush into a Gaultier wed­ding dress.

  • Quiet Riot Girl wrote:

    I guess with Boy George and Mar­i­lyn an obvi­ous sign of their dif­fer­ent approach to gen­der bend­ing is how Boy George insisted on the ‘male’ sig­ni­fier ‘Boy’ whereas Mar­i­lyn went for a ‘female’ name — Mar­i­lyn. There is a lot in a name. Maybe if Andrej went by a woman’s name he would not get so much hassle.

  • Quiet Riot Girl wrote:

    Any­way when it comes to gen­der I think we are all ‘pale imi­ta­tors’ and ‘failed imper­son­ators’. Or maybe that is just me, and Boy George…

  • Quiet Riot Girl wrote:

    p.s. you lot may all be proper queer gen­der ben­ders but when I first saw Boy George on Top of The Pops in 1983 aged 12, I was phys­i­cally shocked. I didn’t know if ‘it’ was a man or a woman. I have always been a bit scared of male gen­der ben­ders. And in awe of them. They make me feel my own fem­i­nin­ity is a ‘pale imi­ta­tor’ of theirs.

  • Taboo’ was panto. Very cyn­i­cal panto. I could have coped with self-indulgence…

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/theatre-dance/reviews/taboo-the-venue–london-750894.html

  • Quiet Riot Girl wrote:

    I agree about Mar­i­lyn except that,in recent years Boy George has received such a kick­ing from the press, and from the Gays, eg over that inci­dent with the rent boy and the hand­cuffs, that I don’t like to dis­miss him as not ‘proper queer’ or ‘proper gen­der ben­der’. I don’t like the guy but he is treated as unac­cept­able and offen­sive by peo­ple I like much less.

  • Quiet Riot Girl wrote:

    And when I did write about the Pejic New Yorker pro­file, the one per­son to take up the piece and share it on Face­book etc, was Sarah Hoffman.

    Remem­ber, the woman who writes about her son, the ‘pink boy’?

    http://www.sarahhoffmanwriter.com/sarah-hoffmans-blog/

    I thought that was inter­est­ing as it shows how much this is to do with gen­der expres­sion and the con­tin­ued polic­ing of boys/men. By fem­i­nists as you say, among others.

  • James Maker wrote:

    I think Pejic looks won­der­ful in that pic­ture. It appeals to me not on a ‘sex­ual’ level but an aes­thetic one: it’s Veron­ica Lake meets John Gal­liano. It’s not “tranny”. Mar­i­lyn most def­i­nitely paved the way, which is why he was heli­coptered back to Harp­en­den straight after his appear­ance on Top of the Pops. And leav­ing Boy George to “panto”…

  • I always felt uncom­fort­able about the way Boy George and his hangers-on were hailed as the great prophets of the new gen­der rev­o­lu­tion when they talked con­stantly about image, shock, etc, whilst Mar­i­lyn seemed to be doing it for real. This feel­ing only increased when I went to see Boy George’s musi­cal ‘Taboo’, which was sick­en­ingly self-indulgent and seemed to leave no room for authen­ti­cally queer peo­ple who didn’t fit into some con­ve­niently mar­ketable nar­ra­tive. Of course one never wants to get into the non­sen­si­cal (and very bor­ing) ‘queerer than thou’ argu­ment, but it still strikes me that Mar­i­lyn, alone out of that set, was doing some­thing truly rev­o­lu­tion­ary just by being him­self. Arguably, it’s the act of being one­self, regard­less of the gen­dered con­text of that act, that is the most socially pow­er­ful and disruptive.

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